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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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welcome welcome welcome to the other

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show on kgra with uh andy mcguire and

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dan zetastrom obviously you can see that

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andy is not here um he is unfortunately

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a little under the weather this week so

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i'm taking the reins to speak to our

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guests um he's on the mend he'll be back

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with us this week and uh from from all

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of us here andy uh we miss you get well

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soon

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um hearty hello as well to the fine folk

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over uh an identified celebrity review

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they just interviewed john ramirez a

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fantastic interview andy and i

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interviewed him a few weeks back so be

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sure to check that out if you are you

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haven't watched it uh they picked up on

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a lot of things that andy and john

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quick recap of the week before i

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representatives which is congress just

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in case you don't know by that name uh

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representatives specify that you want

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them to support amendment

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sa4810 uh so they know which one because

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in there um and yeah that hopefully

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we'll we'll get that supported

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you can support the podcast i've got a

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bunch of admins do here guys for for the

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uh that andy usually does um killing it

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right now you're doing a great job thank

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um so you can get 20 off manscaped with

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the code andy ufo uh you can support us

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member of uap media and creator designer

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writer producer i think the only thing

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he doesn't do is make the paper of

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shadows of your mind magazine this

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gentleman's knowledge knows no bounds

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ladies and gentlemen dave partridge

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thanks for joining me dave how are you

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no problem dan yeah it's um nice to be

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invited shay mandy is near but you know

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you you stuck with me instead

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unfortunately i i hope you're aware of

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introduce our main guest um i've been

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red uh red panda koala i'll say just

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this once it'll be red from now on

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channel for for years and i think he

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really concisely conveys information in

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a really glossy and well-produced

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package he covers a whole load of

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different areas including tom delong

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uaps and nukes soviet ufos cattle

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mutilations the kolaris event and many

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many more along with channels like it's

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redacted this is one of the channels

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that i keep going back to time and time

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again so without further ado red panda

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koala how are you my friend whoo i'm

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doing great thanks for having me guys

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how are you both doing

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so without further ado we'll just dive

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in because these always go by in a flash

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documentary filmmaker have you always

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been into documentary filmmaking did you

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study it can you tell us a little bit

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no i didn't really study it ever i took

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them but i just like never studied it uh

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computer and like the plan was just like

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my cold war channel with this uh

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that's kind of like where the idea for

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that's really cool you kind of covered

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my next question in that so i'm just

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did it do you feel it kind of found you

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was it december 2017 definitely or was

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a family friend who growing up was in

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ufos and we would talk about it like but

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to coast but that was just kind of like

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article dropped to my own

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disappointment and shame i feel like i

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2017 have like a little bit of a flex

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that they'll always have

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just jumping right into your videos one

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of the ones i keep going back to were

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the the tom delong timeline videos

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because there you know just so much

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happened across so many years and if you

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were unless you were paying attention

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ufos and that subject uh you just would

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have missed a lot um and they they

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chart the story from tom

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tom's outlandish claims to him being

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proven to be honest and correct um

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can can you just i don't know how much

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you remember of it but i was wondering

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if you could just hit the main beats

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just just to say kind of what stood out

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sure yeah so

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and this is kind of like uh goes back

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into like the whole why make the channel

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thing and another reason or two is like

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uh when i saw the 2017 stuff i was super

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excited and like looking for something

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that talked about it and like no one was

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interested in it

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and then so if you try to explain to

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someone like why you should care about

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what tom delonge says

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you know what i mean you're going to be

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talking to them like my videos i think

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are like 50 minutes for the two parts

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and that those are like concise concise

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concise so uh

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yeah basically that was like uh and i'd

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seen that that was like a very important

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to ufology that hadn't really been um

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kind of all pieced together like that

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like ross cool tart did a good job

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piecing that timeline together too

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though uh so yeah i was like this is

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aspect of modern ufology and there's all

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these like every day there's any reddit

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post about it and people are like trying

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like okay i'm just gonna make the the

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timeline of everything he said

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uh regarding this subject and um for

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people who don't know i broke it up into

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two parts the first part is about how

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he

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gotten his information which we could go

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into more detail right after i break

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this down and then the second part is i

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basically take all the little bits of

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information that he said about ufos

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and put that into a timeline

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um and just disclaimer i'm not ending my

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videos too i say like i'm not saying to

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believe tom delonge 100 by any means but

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this is an important

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like he's

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integral to where we are right now and

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it's important that people are at least

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aware of like what he's saying and what

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he thinks these things are

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for everyone to make their own decisions

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on what these things are i guess

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and so yeah doing that deep dive i

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basically just like listened to a bunch

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of his interviews from the time period

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when he was um

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speaking for people who don't know

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there's like a there's a sweet spot

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where he claims to have had his advisors

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and he was just going on like

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jimmy church and linda molten howe and

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joe rogan and just kind of like talking

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his mouth off

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um maybe to like his own what detriment

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or something but

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um

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yeah so i listened to those and put

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those all in order and

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just basically yeah the story of how tom

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delong this rock star from lincoln 82 oh

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no he's like a rock star but just his

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like

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disclosure how he was involved and

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basically he

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uh and i'm actually curious to get your

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you guys opinions on this but he like uh

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he says like he went to lockheed martin

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and basically like because of a

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celebrity and

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these companies do this often like

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you'll see like

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companies will just bring random

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celebrities to speak to their employees

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or like to their family nights so that

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part isn't really too crazy to me

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um but he was basically able to like

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network and mingle with

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ufo people to like start this whole

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disclosure initiative and that's where

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you met like steve justice and then

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through justice met other people and uh

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who neil mccaslin general namely castlen

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and all that stuff so

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um

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just trying to like set the foundation

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of like these are like pretty high

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credentialed people who he's for sure we

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know in contact with and who he's

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claiming he's getting his information

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from so that way when we go over the

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information like makes sense

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um but what i was gonna say to you guys

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is uh do you guys think that

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his whole like went to lockheed martin

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episode

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like how much of it do you think was him

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and how much of it do you think was like

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they totally knew what he was gonna do

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like before he even got there you know

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what i mean

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what do you guys what are you guys

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thoughts curious dave we haven't heard

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from you yet so please go ahead

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yeah no i think um

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i mean like you like red said you know

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these big companies will gain

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celebrities whether you know like

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christmas parties or anniversary that

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kind of thing they'll hire the band or

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you know these people just to put on a

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show for their employees as a gesture of

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goodwill

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um things like that i know that the

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motorsport formula one teams do it quite

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often in their christmas parties they'll

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get in like these big stars just to put

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on a show and then they'll mingle with

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the rest of the crowd

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um but yeah i mean if tom delonge

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you know if he was meeting with d

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justice and some of the other people at

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skunk works and being shown around the

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facilities and you know been shown

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perhaps uh blueprints or plans for

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stuff that they're working on then that

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makes sense that he's going to go and

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take that and give it to

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you know probably hint towards that with

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other people that he meets later on down

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yeah that's interesting so it's so kind

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of like um

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you know we always talk about the

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information being in stove pipes so in

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effect tom connected a few of the

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stovepipes and they may have gotten a

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few people talking that that weren't

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before i guess um or made them aware of

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certain things they weren't aware of

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before that's interesting yeah so it's

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like what degree of it is like tom is

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loki this brilliant machiavellian

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schemer who's just playing off

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everyone's like what they know and don't

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know and what degree of it is like

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somebody above tom that we don't even

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know about thought that this might be a

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good person to like

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ease it because one of the theories i

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have of why like he's even involved is

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because it kind of gives them like an

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out for a bit you know what i mean

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because he's kind of so out there and

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he's so

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uh

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you know what i mean it's not it's not

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like the president or something

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he's crazy he has all these naked pics

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from the 90s and stuff like that so if

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they wanted to pull back they could have

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easily done that maybe for that first

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little window but i don't know it's all

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speculation still we'll probably all die

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not knowing

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that we'll face it

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i mean

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it almost got totally derailed by the

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wikileaks um

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thing as well

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when yeah i think greg cameron says that

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too and yeah

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00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:04,800
yeah uh tom tom described it as the the

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information being shut off from a castle

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and as a faucet being turned off um

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so it blows my mind to think that the

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you know the

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stacked uh lineup of ttsa was actually

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plan b in effect

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uh they've done a really really good job

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uh all things considered but i'd love to

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to hear from neilman castle and i'm sure

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we all wouldn't yeah he's one of the

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ones i think

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yeah sorry

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um

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so part two of those videos

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um includes a kind of overarching theory

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of uap not necessarily your overarching

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theory but the one tom presented uh it

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involves consciousness being influenced

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by beings that used to be referred to as

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the greek gods and and many other

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phobias worshipped throughout history um

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and this no doubt links into why the

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phenomenon is considered demonic by some

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as they see the world through a kind of

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religious lens

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so i wanted to know what your

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thoughts on that aspect of the story

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because for some people it kind of gets

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quite scary at this point um is it too

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much for you or do you find it

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intriguing

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uh

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i i would say like when it comes to the

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whole overarching ufo subject i'm kind

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of a doomer compared to some of the

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other people just because like and we'll

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probably talk about this to my collars

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video and stuff there's evidence of like

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uh

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not

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experiences and information downloads of

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love or something

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so in terms of that like i do agree

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with tom that

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and like the whole trickster element and

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like that jack filet said that these

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things impersonate each other or they

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can manipulate our emotions

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um yeah i just think that they're just

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all of their operations come from like a

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base level of deceit

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towards our species so it's like you

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can't even trust the good the bad it's

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all just like

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uh not good in my opinion well no not

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all not good but you just can't trust it

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because people have been told a bunch of

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stuff if

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like some of the abduction stuff which

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you know it's people are iffy if you're

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nuts and bolts but there's like some

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interesting abduction stuff where it's

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like people get told like things and

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they're lied to basically and

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it's taken advantage of in like very

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inappropriate ways

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so

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yeah i don't know i i think tom gets a

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lot of flak and pete and lou

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and lou doesn't even really say the

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threat like as much as he could in my

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opinion he just says like they could hit

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our planes but i think it's a lot like

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yeah for sure

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do you think humanity at large would be

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ready for that conversation yet or do

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you think we have a ways to go

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i'm gonna be honest i don't really know

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and i gleaned towards no

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and i just feel like from the the

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picture that i'm kind of

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painting for myself of like what might

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be behind this phenomena like what

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actions this phenomena takes

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uh

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like it seems kind of like not all good

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and i just and i know i don't even have

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the full picture so i can only imagine

518
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what the full picture is like some of

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the intelligence community and stuff

520
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uh luis simenes had a good point when i

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went on his show

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and he was saying

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because uh i always think like if a

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modern day collars happened which maybe

525
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we should for the listeners just do a

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quick little just two minute show yeah

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absolutely you know i have a question

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down the road on clarisse where i was

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going to ask you to just hit on it

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because i don't think many people really

531
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know and you did quite an extensive

532
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series on it so yeah please take the

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time yeah so call for the listeners

534
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colarus was this uh ufo flap that

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happened in 1977 to 78 in brazil and i

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found it really important to cover this

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because

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there's a few reasons so one it has a

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bunch of witnesses

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and

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like over hundreds like over 100 for

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sure probably

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and these range from farmers to

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fishermen to police officers to police

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chiefs to

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city councillors and to mayors so like

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all across the spectrum

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and this town started uh having all

549
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,440
these ufo sightings but was really

550
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uh tragic about it is that these ufos

551
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weren't just like being seen they were

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actively like attacking people and

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um people were getting like radiation

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burns they were called chupachupa which

555
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means suck suck in portuguese because

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people felt like they were sucking their

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blood but typical stuff like people

558
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,919
would say oh i was paralyzed and the

559
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:17,840
thing this glowing orb was moving around

560
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,760
my room and like hovering over like me

561
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,600
and my family and then i just left and

562
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:23,760
then we all felt like horrible for a few

563
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,440
days

564
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,280
so that's one one aspect of it is that

565
00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:29,039
there's so many people there's so many

566
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,039
uh the dog there's only like one doctor

567
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,600
in the town but she she's on the record

568
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:35,280
since like at first i didn't believe it

569
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,559
either but all these people started

570
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,080
coming in with like radiation burns and

571
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:40,840
like unable to move and stuff like that

572
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:44,080
um and then another interesting aspect

573
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,440
of it is because it was such a high

574
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:46,640
profile

575
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,240
uh kind of flap and by by a few months

576
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,720
in mayors were contacting like uh

577
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,280
governors and um the military and stuff

578
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,960
to intervene the military eventually

579
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:58,240
does intervene

580
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,679
and

581
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,840
uh there they sent a small team you know

582
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,600
not like some huge crazy team i think it

583
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,760
was like 10 people or so but eventually

584
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:07,120
these 10 people started having like

585
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,559
experiences too

586
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:10,000
and they had originally went there to go

587
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,360
dispel

588
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,840
to like calm the area but they they

589
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,679
ended up having their own like orb

590
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,160
sightings and one of them even had a

591
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,559
humanoid encounter with like a gray

592
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:22,559
being and then

593
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:26,000
uh it's the the brazilian government did

594
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,440
cover it up quote unquote they said that

595
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,880
it was all because of like lighthouses

596
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,799
offshore so there's there's that angle

597
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,480
of like cover-up

598
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,919
there's the also the angle of like this

599
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,960
is a foreign country because people are

600
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,720
always like why is it always america and

601
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,160
then another important thing is that in

602
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,880
2004 aj gibrad who's like a really

603
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,240
prominent i'd say the most prominent

604
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,840
brazilian ufo researcher he led this uh

605
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:48,160
i don't know political action i don't

606
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:50,080
know uh political action group or

607
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,440
something and tried to declassify some

608
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,720
of these files and the brazilian

609
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,880
government and air force actually did

610
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,799
so for a while some of these files were

611
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:58,320
out there like i think in the 90s and

612
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,679
late 80s they were out there but they

613
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,760
had never been really been confirmed but

614
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:03,760
then the brazilian government confirmed

615
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,280
uh released some of these files in 2004

616
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,640
and so yeah those are like the main

617
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,840
reasons why i really wanted to tell the

618
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,919
story it was one all these witnesses

619
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,640
two

620
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,720
it's not all pretty and it's fairly well

621
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,240
documented as far as the ufo case is

622
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,200
going to go

623
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,280
uh three it's in a foreign country

624
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,960
for the government officially

625
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,440
declassified stuff after covering it up

626
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,720
after saying it was a lighthouse you

627
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,480
know what i mean so

628
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,640
all those all those beats i think make

629
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,720
for a really compelling case

630
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,159
and yeah it's not really one that's

631
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:33,679
talked about too much

632
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,880
and you definitely don't hear people who

633
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,720
are like love and light only ever

634
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,039
reference it

635
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,390
am i correct in thinking that um robert

636
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:46,880
bigelow owns all the clarisse files now

637
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,549
yeah

638
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,520
of course it ties in bigelow at the end

639
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,039
of it right at the very end i think like

640
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,720
2000

641
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:00,240
some yeah somewhere around 2002 to

642
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,679
2008-ish i believe kevin knew who was

643
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,840
the marine aviator who was originally

644
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,679
like going to see the

645
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,280
or not kevin knew i'm forgetting his

646
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,520
name but there was a marine aviator

647
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:13,039
who's supposed to see the 2004 tic tac

648
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:13,919
who

649
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:18,400
he went to brazil before that trip i

650
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:19,280
mean

651
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,400
was it

652
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,640
kurth maybe yeah something like that

653
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:23,600
yeah

654
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,640
got

655
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,919
a lot of the files and maybe even some

656
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,440
of the files that weren't declassified

657
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,600
because they declassified photos and

658
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,919
like reports written by the

659
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,760
uh military personnel

660
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,760
and but they didn't i don't think to my

661
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,679
knowledge have declassified film role

662
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:41,360
like a super 8 film role they had

663
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,480
allegedly

664
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:44,400
has been claimed by uh multiple people

665
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,679
and i don't think that's been classified

666
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,760
and i think bigelow might be uh sitting

667
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,919
on that so

668
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,840
interesting i guess that would be in the

669
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,400
the data warehouse that column

670
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,840
uh refers to in in their interviews um

671
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,760
and maybe even the the

672
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,159
yearly reports um i know tim mcmillan

673
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,919
has seen one of those he got to have a

674
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,080
gander through uh but not share it with

675
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,840
us so so i wonder if we could ask him

676
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,480
specifically if he saw any clara's stuff

677
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,480
yeah and hal put off mentioned it

678
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,960
recently and people mention it like

679
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,120
uh yeah hal put off mention it so it's

680
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,360
in their zeitgeist they know about it

681
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,960
yeah 100

682
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,840
um

683
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,919
so you said december 2017 was kind of

684
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:26,559
your genesis point or your origin story

685
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,810
we'll say um

686
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,039
[Music]

687
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:31,200
since then what would you say has kind

688
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:32,240
of been

689
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,080
uh let's say pick three of your your

690
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,000
the most important developments for you

691
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,480
in this conversation since then like

692
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,799
that have happened since then like yeah

693
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,520
okay um

694
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,960
well like well we talked about earlier

695
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,200
that timber chat on the floor of this

696
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,039
the house like yesterday or whenever

697
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,720
that was saying like the american people

698
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,720
can handle the truth was pretty dramatic

699
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,840
but uh let's see what is um

700
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,120
i guess just learning the details of the

701
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,880
nimitz case because that one is really

702
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,960
like i think a really solid go-to for a

703
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,080
lot of people

704
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,520
and just all the like flight

705
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,440
characteristics of the tic tac

706
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,559
and

707
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,360
all that jazz

708
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,480
um another big important things uh i

709
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,840
guess and this kind of goes into another

710
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,919
one of my videos uh when i learned about

711
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,919
the chinese initiative although i think

712
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,520
it's kind of stalled but there's like a

713
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,840
chinese initiative to basically what

714
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,760
isir is doing the

715
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,280
the inner

716
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,440
national coalition of extraterrestrial

717
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,039
research or whatever

718
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,480
they were they basically got all these

719
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,400
ufo researchers to

720
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,039
come to china are to come to russia

721
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,280
china and then russia but basically

722
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,400
they're propping up this whole thing

723
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,440
like they were going to create their own

724
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,799
u.n initiative

725
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,919
um

726
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,360
although that kind of panned out after

727
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,720
the pandemic and it looks like a lot of

728
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,640
those people moved to icer and are kind

729
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,320
of just trying to do it outside of the

730
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,600
chinese

731
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,559
i don't know

732
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,000
guys or whatever

733
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,679
uh but that learning about that was

734
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,960
pretty interesting because i was like

735
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,640
okay this is another

736
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,320
country that's for better or worse

737
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,679
taking this seriously and then when

738
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:03,440
they've released that they also have

739
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,480
their own

740
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,039
uaptf basically uh that was a pretty big

741
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,799
moment because yeah you a lot of

742
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,080
criticism here is just like why is it

743
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,760
only america why is it only this or that

744
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
and then so learning about like other

745
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,799
countries uh

746
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,400
doing it is pretty interesting and then

747
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:17,760
let's see what's the third really

748
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,590
i i might be pointing you on the spot

749
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,760
with that that number i picked out

750
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,400
basically i think that's fine

751
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,159
i guess no just like the general just

752
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,000
the general progression of everything

753
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,520
it's and

754
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,440
what i try and what am i trying to do

755
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,480
with my channel is i try and keep the

756
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,320
history alive because i feel like

757
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,159
it's the government is actively trying

758
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,679
to like not keep the history alive with

759
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,440
only going back to 2004 and even in the

760
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,960
ufo community i feel like sometimes we

761
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,000
forget um so just seeing the the

762
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,919
constant stream of just like congress

763
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,159
people talking about it or

764
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,039
like talking crap about ao msg or

765
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,480
whatever and

766
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,679
seeing that they got briefed and they're

767
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,679
talking about it like that's all

768
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,159
fairly novel stuff and like yes sure

769
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,679
some similar things happened in the past

770
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,039
but i don't think it's ever been like

771
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,440
this level of just

772
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:08,880
new week new person talking about it

773
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,080
who's respected in society

774
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,960
so those three things cool

775
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,360
um you you kind of touched it on on it a

776
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,880
little bit there but i was going to ask

777
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,600
you about the the united nations and and

778
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,200
you know what happened in san marino

779
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,679
recently um you know they're supposedly

780
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,559
being asked to take it forward to the un

781
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,120
um and i wanted to ask if that was to

782
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,279
happen what would you like to see come

783
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,520
out of it

784
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:37,520
if that was to happen

785
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,039
maybe just like an international uaptf

786
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,640
and maybe some kind of international

787
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,720
amnesty thing i know that's kind of a

788
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,279
controversial thing but uh

789
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,120
i think and we're kind of seeing this on

790
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,520
ufo twitter and stuff too i think like

791
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,360
the the just getting everything out

792
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,320
there is more important than like

793
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,440
by uh covering up for some crimes or

794
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,279
the political opinions of whoever's

795
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,960
trying to get the information out as

796
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,320
much as it might suck and which you

797
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,000
might not agree with at all i think it's

798
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,520
more important to get that out so i do

799
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,400
think

800
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,080
an important aspect of all this is the

801
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,000
amnesty thing and the reason i say that

802
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,159
is because uh

803
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,080
uh like this act this was actively

804
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,080
covered up for decades across multiple

805
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,760
countries and you don't get to do that

806
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,679
by just like being pretty about it and

807
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,760
smiling like i do personally believe

808
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,360
horrible stuff has been happening or has

809
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,520
happened to keep this secret

810
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,200
and

811
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,960
stuff that i think we'd all be horrified

812
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,279
by so i don't i think if there's not

813
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,760
some kind of like amnesty on the table

814
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,559
we won't get what we want

815
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,720
and as much as i don't like the cover-up

816
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,840
although i kind of go back and forth on

817
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,919
that but uh as much as i like you know

818
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,159
wish it was all out there

819
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,440
and i don't like what some of the

820
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,960
actions they did definitely don't like

821
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,480
the murdering people over and stuff like

822
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,559
that to be clear um i think it's more

823
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,679
important to just get the information

824
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:55,440
out

825
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,559
yeah

826
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,440
that's gone something that's unspoken um

827
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,840
when people talk about disclosure is the

828
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,480
potentiality of lawsuits coming in

829
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,919
against governments and against the

830
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,720
military from you know people who

831
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,480
have been affected by this physically

832
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,240
mentally and

833
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,679
you know

834
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,679
that is

835
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,520
i think that's possibly one thing that's

836
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:20,159
holding it back at the moment as well

837
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,279
because once

838
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,559
someone gets

839
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,919
you know takes the government to court

840
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,919
or the military to court

841
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,440
and actually gets a payout you know

842
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,320
similar to john burroughs did after um

843
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,440
randall

844
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,640
100

845
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,960
once once you open those floodgates you

846
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,240
know who knows where that's going to

847
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,399
start

848
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,320
and lose even said uh like uh if

849
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,760
aerospace companies got access to

850
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,919
certain tech and others didn't you know

851
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,000
and that gave them a huge

852
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,440
leap where

853
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,200
there's a lot of like yeah money and

854
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
pain involved with like uncovering this

855
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,640
all up and and that's another thing that

856
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,320
i think people don't really

857
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,600
talk about when we're talking about the

858
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,279
subject or in mainstream media it's like

859
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:59,039
okay yes we're talking about ufos now

860
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,240
but there's a reason we're only talking

861
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:02,000
about it now and like tic tac was even

862
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:03,279
2004

863
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,000
like

864
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,600
there's a history of covering this up

865
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,880
that i think

866
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,720
the yeah the media isn't really touching

867
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,480
yet and i think when they do

868
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,000
people be like oh

869
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,320
it's not not good stuff because people

870
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,000
get like you know what i mean there's

871
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,840
like in the in the 70s when the cia was

872
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,840
all exposed and stuff it caused quite a

873
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,559
stir and stuff so i imagine probably

874
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,919
like a similar thing to like what

875
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,919
happened with that whole thing

876
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,269
so some of your videos are on soviet uap

877
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,600
encounters um and and their studies

878
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,240
really go well beyond just seeing you

879
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,320
know lights in the sky

880
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,399
um they were as curious about this stuff

881
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,960
as the usa and the rest of us i think um

882
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,799
including the the kind of the psychic

883
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,480
spy studies i'll do that in air quotes

884
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,159
because it's not you know it's a broad

885
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,919
stroke uh

886
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,080
so you you obviously poured like you

887
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,520
said you do deep dive so you kind of

888
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,240
really poured over the the ussr russia

889
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,120
uh stuff and it's debated in the

890
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,279
community because we we haven't seen a

891
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,880
lot of the paperwork and and we don't

892
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,080
know the

893
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,360
custody of a lot of it and we wonder if

894
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,279
it's disinformation or anything like

895
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,960
that um so i wanted to to ask what your

896
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,240
kind of

897
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,120
main takeaway and impression was from

898
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,799
from doing the deep dive on the on the

899
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,399
russia documents

900
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,600
yeah um

901
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,960
and i'll just purpose i probably have to

902
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,640
do an even deeper dive on just like an

903
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,279
overall russia one because the soviet

904
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,520
videos i've covered uh for the audience

905
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,240
one i did was on marina popovich who was

906
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,279
this uh

907
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,720
well i say she's a cosmonaut some people

908
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,919
say she's not a cosmonaut because she

909
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,440
never technically went to space but she

910
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,200
like trained she got accepted into the

911
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,720
cosmonaut program in my opinion that

912
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,520
cons that still counts um and she had

913
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:46,000
her own ufo experiences

914
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,520
um

915
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,679
and so from what and my other video was

916
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,679
on this girl named nina kulagana who was

917
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,760
studied by the soviets who allegedly to

918
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,480
follow you dan uh had uh

919
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,320
telekin kinetic powers and i know it

920
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,240
sounds so crazy and uh even i and i'm

921
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,760
not saying to believe it by any means

922
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,039
but what's interesting about it is like

923
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,279
there's a lot of people who corroborate

924
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,520
her claims who are very uh

925
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,000
esteemed and established within like

926
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,080
science and stuff like that

927
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:14,000
so my understanding of

928
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,039
and i've obviously done more reading

929
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,480
since then but as far as my video goes

930
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,320
my understanding from um

931
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:19,520
the soviet union was kind of through

932
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,720
their their two lenses and so for marina

933
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,240
popovich she would say that like yeah

934
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,480
they had the same kind of stigma

935
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,640
to where people wouldn't report things

936
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
and like if you reported things uh

937
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,880
you basically like get sent to a loony

938
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,799
bin i think is what she said

939
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,840
um so there's that and then

940
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,039
through her life too we also learned

941
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,799
that like after the fall of the soviet

942
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,159
union is when this stuff was kind of

943
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:44,000
allowed to be talked about more

944
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,120
um

945
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,720
and she and some others and even her

946
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,640
ex-husband pavel pogbovich had his own

947
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,720
ufo sighting and he was outspoken about

948
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,799
it so after the fall of the soviet union

949
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,279
more uh more people were talking

950
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,799
but yeah like you said i would like to

951
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,240
see those documents and i feel didn't

952
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,519
george knapp or someone say he's seen

953
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,360
them or something like that i thought

954
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:03,519
yeah he brought some back and presented

955
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,799
them to um what's happening bass

956
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,919
yeah

957
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,919
and it was like they managed to do like

958
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,440
a family tree

959
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,320
of the organizations within the russian

960
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:16,240
government within the russian military

961
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,200
and

962
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,360
actually found that there was one unit

963
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,120
which was

964
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,760
kind of running it all um but i never

965
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,519
quite found out

966
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,240
how how far that was involved yeah

967
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,760
sounds like a future video for me for

968
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,519
sure because like like i was saying from

969
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,720
the soviet videos i have covered it's

970
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,399
kind of just from their perspective at

971
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,760
all so like one

972
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:37,360
like that would be

973
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,600
really cool i have to dm you and nap and

974
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,960
pluto

975
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,159
mentions it in

976
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,399
skinwalkers of the pentagon book oh

977
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,480
really nice yeah

978
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,360
nice nice very cool so yeah and so back

979
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,480
to the general i think they were

980
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,919
definitely studying it

981
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,360
um

982
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,679
i just don't think you can and then oh

983
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,760
what are some things she had friends in

984
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,519
intelligence so there's a little like

985
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,039
peek and she said her friends and

986
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,480
intelligence were under the impression

987
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,320
that roswell was a legitimate crash like

988
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,159
from the soviet perspective so i mean

989
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,679
take that however you want she could

990
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,519
have been lied to by someone she could

991
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,200
have whatever but as far as she was

992
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:15,279
understood it that's what she understood

993
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,159
so

994
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:18,480
that was another interesting tidbit

995
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:19,200
and

996
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,320
yeah

997
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,080
kind of like uh makes me think of the

998
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,760
the foo fighters have both sides were

999
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,519
blaming each other but

1000
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,360
both kind of thinking it was the yeah

1001
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,480
the other side

1002
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,480
yeah

1003
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,399
so we'll just move on to simone

1004
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,120
sorry audience questions um we have a

1005
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,679
question from murph uh he says red panda

1006
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,519
koalas we do some great videos so thank

1007
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,519
you very much uh if you had to pick

1008
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,880
between extraterrestrial

1009
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,960
inter-dimensional crypto-terrestrial or

1010
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,039
a combination which would you go for and

1011
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,279
why i think kind of your your

1012
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:51,440
favorite theory i think

1013
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,240
yes

1014
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,919
uh are you saying

1015
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,519
you think you know what mine is

1016
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,600
oh no uh oh no sorry okay i would like

1017
00:33:03,269 --> 00:32:59,279
to know what your favorite uh your pet

1018
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,870
like whatever it is is 50

1019
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,640
interdimensional a quarter crypto a

1020
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
quarter extraterrestrial i don't you

1021
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,200
know but i feel like uh we all probably

1022
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,399
do this too right we're always bouncing

1023
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,000
around like what we think it might be or

1024
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,000
what if it's all bs like

1025
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,440
yeah yeah

1026
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,840
just laying up at night looking up uh

1027
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,279
but um

1028
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,480
yeah i'd probably go towards like

1029
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,679
interdimensional i definitely don't i

1030
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,880
think the

1031
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,039
the strict biological like et from

1032
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,640
another planet

1033
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,399
star wars type situation i think that's

1034
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,919
a little less likely from what i've seen

1035
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,519
although it does probably exist but as

1036
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,799
far as like what's been interacting with

1037
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,840
us and

1038
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,440
at least the like stuff you hear from

1039
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:39,279
like lou

1040
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:40,000
and

1041
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,840
who are like don't obviously believe 100

1042
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,600
whatever they say but they kind of know

1043
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,919
more than probably a lot of us do that

1044
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:52,000
kind of leans towards that way so yeah

1045
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,120
it's a

1046
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,919
little little interdimensional a little

1047
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,000
a lot of trickster like

1048
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,080
yeah i'm not as opposed to dyno beaver

1049
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:01,919
as some people are

1050
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,430
so michaela would like to know uh she

1051
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,040
says there are many different books and

1052
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,879
she doesn't really know where to start

1053
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,960
uh what would be the main reads that

1054
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,720
you'd suggest and why i know you have a

1055
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,399
video that's kind of like a top ten so

1056
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,800
yeah go for it great question so yeah i

1057
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,399
do have a video that's a top ten and the

1058
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,240
video i um it's like the first in a

1059
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,960
series so this one was top 10 nuts and

1060
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,599
bolts ufo books to come out since 2000

1061
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,800
which i feel like is a good place to

1062
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,240
start and then i'll eventually do like

1063
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,480
top 10 nuts and bolts pre 2 000

1064
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:35,520
woo post 2000 fiction books

1065
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,909
i think like some of the best ones are

1066
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,159
richard dolan's um

1067
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:46,240
what is it ufos in the national security

1068
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:50,240
state and then the the robert powell

1069
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,119
and

1070
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:53,440
uh ufo book which one is that two darn

1071
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,320
it

1072
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,919
let me see

1073
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,359
i guess i should look it up

1074
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,800
um well

1075
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,680
do you guys know what i'm talking about

1076
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,119
it's like the red and white one it's

1077
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
like uh

1078
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,839
yeah right yeah

1079
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,680
so for sure it'll be in the show notes

1080
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,800
uh the robert powell book and the

1081
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,640
richard dolan ones those ones are really

1082
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,240
good of just like

1083
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,480
the entire story more or less and i

1084
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,000
typically find whenever i'm researching

1085
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,839
a book or something i'll definitely like

1086
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:19,839
i have those books in e-copy so like

1087
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,480
control-f like any particular terms that

1088
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,680
i'm coming across in research just to

1089
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,960
like cross-check against those see if

1090
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,720
there's maybe something i missed but

1091
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,160
those ones could are also kind of like

1092
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,240
very intense like history kind of books

1093
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,240
which i personally love but some people

1094
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,440
maybe if you're looking for more of a

1095
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,720
narrative

1096
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,320
uh ross cult arts book is pretty good

1097
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,160
and like

1098
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,160
kind of i feel like

1099
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,000
reads more like a

1100
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,440
like like a typical read that you would

1101
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,640
have as opposed to like history book

1102
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,800
although all three of those are are good

1103
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,800
that's what i would recommend but yeah

1104
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,400
that's what i recommend

1105
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,920
nice i'm going to throw that one to you

1106
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,520
as well dave because i i know you have a

1107
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,040
few favorites yes and i'll find the

1108
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,720
cover i'll find that book while he's in

1109
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,000
oh nice thank you um

1110
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,440
i mean i agree

1111
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,200
in part with red that you know richard

1112
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,200
dolan's books the um

1113
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,520
european national security state yes

1114
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,800
they are in debt but you know dolan is

1115
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,599
um a historian at heart anyway he

1116
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,680
started off looking at the cold war and

1117
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,079
then eventually stumbled into ufos and

1118
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,680
took it from there

1119
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,599
but my

1120
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:23,599
personal favorites i prefer the older

1121
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:27,040
books so like from the 50s 60s and 70s

1122
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,000
um

1123
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,680
you know if you want to start right at

1124
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,760
the beginning then go for major donald

1125
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,280
kehoe's books

1126
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,440
you know especially his very early ones

1127
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,760
where he had access to

1128
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,560
um american air force pilots who could

1129
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:42,400
talk freely about what they've seen up

1130
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,240
to up to like 1952 or 53

1131
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,079
when they got the whole thing just got

1132
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,440
shut down

1133
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,040
um

1134
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,680
i think edward rupelt's book as well i

1135
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,720
can't remember what it's called off the

1136
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,800
top of my head but yeah that's that's a

1137
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,720
great great place to start and then you

1138
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
start

1139
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,680
you know getting into the whole blue

1140
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,040
book thing

1141
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,839
um i'd say jack valley as well

1142
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,000
i know these you put the forbidden

1143
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:10,560
science books in your uh top ten list as

1144
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,520
well red

1145
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,520
yeah i did yeah those are great uh those

1146
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,359
are his note like he just was taking

1147
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:17,040
notes i guess every decade he was around

1148
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,920
which is

1149
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,520
a great little historical nugget of just

1150
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:21,599
like the world of ufology in the time of

1151
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,400
that like it was uh not allowed and yeah

1152
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,839
i totally agree i think the repel book

1153
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:26,960
for sure is probably gonna be like the

1154
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,160
number one in my pre-2000 that that

1155
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:31,680
guy's i think probably one of the most

1156
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:38,550
sean would like to know do you think the

1157
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,510
um

1158
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,280
i would say

1159
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
i don't know for sure obviously but i

1160
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,400
would say i wouldn't be surprised if

1161
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,760
they are

1162
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,560
and

1163
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,680
i wouldn't be surprised if they have a

1164
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,839
lot of influence on like our world that

1165
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,800
we just don't really realize

1166
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,280
so i guess just nice and short wouldn't

1167
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,040
be surprised

1168
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,960
nice so uh that's appropriate because

1169
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:06,880
we're going to jump into a kind of mini

1170
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,760
quick fire now this this is both of you

1171
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,440
so i'm just going to run through them

1172
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,720
just tell me your thoughts quickly on

1173
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,920
the subjects and uh yeah uh so thoughts

1174
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,880
on ball lightning are right you go first

1175
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,920
uh pretty interesting i honestly need to

1176
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:24,079
probably do a bigger deep dive

1177
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,359
i think that one video that everyone

1178
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,839
post is fake right with the railroad and

1179
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,680
it's like russian yeah yeah that's right

1180
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,800
it was a cg project for some kid and he

1181
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,160
came out and admitted it but it still

1182
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,520
gets passed around as the genuine

1183
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:37,040
article yeah

1184
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,079
so

1185
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,160
i definitely think i don't think like a

1186
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,359
lot of the orbs and stuff i don't think

1187
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:44,000
are that or it's a convenient uh cover i

1188
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,520
guess is what i would say for a lot of

1189
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,680
things but interesting still

1190
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,640
cool dave yeah i mean it's a phenomena

1191
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,960
which isn't seen that often and when it

1192
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:54,960
does it can freak people out which is

1193
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,520
you know it's no surprise why

1194
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,359
you know someone will think that

1195
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,640
holy

1196
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,640
moly let's say uh

1197
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,720
that's an orb or a ufa it's easily

1198
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,960
mistakeable

1199
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:08,400
yeah for sure

1200
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,520
um

1201
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,440
so your thoughts on the and you

1202
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,359
mentioned ross coulthard so you probably

1203
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,240
aware of it um the the kind of competing

1204
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,640
timelines and time travel hypothesis of

1205
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,880
the the visitors uh i wanted to ask you

1206
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:23,119
both what you thought of that

1207
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,079
um

1208
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,400
i've been seeing the timeline stuff pop

1209
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,880
up on ufo twitter a lot uh i don't know

1210
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,680
if i

1211
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,359
personally think that or like the future

1212
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,640
human theory

1213
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,560
and all that kind of stuff uh i don't

1214
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,359
know if i i haven't seen enough to like

1215
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,920
make me think that's 100 the case

1216
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,960
um

1217
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,560
maybe i think these things like

1218
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,160
manipulate time in a sense of like the

1219
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,520
way they move probably from the inside

1220
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,920
the tic tac like is manipulated time

1221
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,920
compared to outside but as far as like

1222
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,760
back to the future style we're gonna

1223
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:54,000
punch in this date go here and bounce

1224
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:55,359
out i don't know if i

1225
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,560
if i've agreed up with that

1226
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,030
it's difficult because you know the way

1227
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,480
pop culture is at the moment we've got

1228
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,680
loki you know the whole marvel cinematic

1229
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,200
universe dealing with timelines at the

1230
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,200
moment you know is that bringing that

1231
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,359
conversation into ufology and are people

1232
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,560
using that

1233
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,640
to try and explain something which you

1234
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,760
know they probably haven't thought of

1235
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,960
before

1236
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,680
um you know future progeny as well you

1237
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,160
know is it future us coming back to warn

1238
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,440
us that we're about to destroy the

1239
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,520
planet and if we don't back up our ideas

1240
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,800
then

1241
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,640
you know they won't survive kind of

1242
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,440
thing

1243
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,000
i think that was explored um

1244
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,480
in the recent canal plus war the world

1245
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,800
series

1246
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:40,640
for people who have seen that for people

1247
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,390
i felt like that one uh it started

1248
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,319
pretty well the first episode kind of

1249
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,640
kept the anxiety and panic of what that

1250
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,480
moment would look like on the ground

1251
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,920
level uh but yeah don't don't watch the

1252
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,079
two seasons i would say

1253
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,599
um

1254
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,680
aside from kolaris what would be your

1255
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,920
favorite ufo case red

1256
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,160
okay aside from coloris and then we'll

1257
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,520
also stay aside from

1258
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:09,760
nimitz because that's like basic too

1259
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,440
good thanks in that loophole for me um

1260
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,520
we'll say

1261
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:16,640
is

1262
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,440
one and i don't know if you guys saw my

1263
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,960
most of you supposed to one which covers

1264
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,800
like al chop and like all that stuff so

1265
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,319
that's kind of fresh in my mind to a

1266
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,920
degree i'm right now i'm in the trenches

1267
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,200
for edgar mitchell so like my mind is

1268
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,359
all edgar mitchell but um

1269
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,760
that one is really interesting because

1270
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,160
lots of witnesses lots of credible

1271
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,359
witnesses you know what i mean like al

1272
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,160
chop was a great guy uh multiple airline

1273
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,480
pilots see these things over dc

1274
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,520
and then also what's really interesting

1275
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:47,520
about that is you could really see like

1276
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,560
like an immediate like uh

1277
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,960
what is it like call to action on parts

1278
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,319
of the government and stuff directly

1279
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,599
after that which i think adds more

1280
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,240
credit credence to the sighting like the

1281
00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:00,079
robertson panel was like directly after

1282
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,960
that

1283
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,520
uh grudge was reformed to blue book

1284
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,760
directly after that and

1285
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,480
and like um was basically like confirmed

1286
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,839
to be like a debunking thing by that

1287
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,599
point so basically just the government's

1288
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,400
reaction in the wake of that event

1289
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,520
kind of similar to roswell where you

1290
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,720
just see all these like this event

1291
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,079
happens and like now everything's kind

1292
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,160
of changing and shuffling around and so

1293
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,000
i think that's uh probably

1294
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:25,119
one of my favorite ones in 1952 over dc

1295
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,920
cool

1296
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,240
and for you dave yeah i think i'm gonna

1297
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,720
i mean i've spoken about it many times

1298
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:32,720
on various different podcasts and that's

1299
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,160
not here not tonight

1300
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,480
it's the um it's the welsh site in the

1301
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:39,839
welsh triangle

1302
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,079
basically 1977 78 sightings um around

1303
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,160
broadhaven milfordhaven

1304
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,040
uh

1305
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,200
it's called the duffhead enigma

1306
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,160
um so there's a few few books from 1978

1307
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,680
which explore

1308
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,800
um the phenomena in detail with

1309
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,079
interviews with some of the main

1310
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,079
witnesses and just to get the feeling of

1311
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,400
this small corner of wales which is

1312
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,880
populated by um you know farmers and

1313
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,599
mining communities

1314
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,079
to be describing what they're describing

1315
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,400
without having the influence of science

1316
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,680
fiction

1317
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,240
you know being prominent in their lives

1318
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,280
you know it's quite a good um study and

1319
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,880
what was going on at the time

1320
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:22,160
oh well i'm gonna have to look into that

1321
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:23,119
case because i don't even know anything

1322
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,560
about it if it's one of your favorites

1323
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,880
that's like like

1324
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,920
it went on for a good 18 months i think

1325
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,200
oh yeah definitely that's the thing

1326
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,400
about

1327
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,760
crafts and everything

1328
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,319
you know suited figures um

1329
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,480
lights in the sky

1330
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,480
yeah dude like men and black type people

1331
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:41,280
like

1332
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,319
suited

1333
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,240
no more like um

1334
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,480
well there was two instances of men in

1335
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:49,280
black yeah driving a um a silver rolls

1336
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,319
royce

1337
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,440
and um

1338
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,040
yeah interrogating

1339
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,280
a couple of families um there was a

1340
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,880
trans-medium

1341
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,280
incident well more than one

1342
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:01,280
where the owner of a local hotel saw a

1343
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:02,240
craft

1344
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,200
um

1345
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,800
heading for these rocks just off the

1346
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,839
shore

1347
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,000
and just saw the craft disappear and she

1348
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,680
was waiting for the massive explosion

1349
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,040
and

1350
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,319
these two figures

1351
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,760
appearing on these rocks as if they're

1352
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,760
walking downstairs

1353
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,079
and then going you know underneath

1354
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,000
and apparently some diver went down

1355
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,000
there and discovered a steel door in the

1356
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,480
rocks but whether that's

1357
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,560
you know whether that's um

1358
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,560
genuine or not still

1359
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,000
still up for debate

1360
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,760
i mean if we can fund a training course

1361
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,280
and get a diving suit i don't live too

1362
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,280
far from there i'll go look yeah

1363
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,640
oh yeah you guys are close we're just

1364
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,839
diving

1365
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,400
yeah i'm not so patreon

1366
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,160
i live on the on the southern tip of

1367
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,000
wales and and we actually kind of get a

1368
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,800
lot of activity and and my mom seen a

1369
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,079
few things there there was something

1370
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,280
around cardiff airport when i was

1371
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,599
growing up i vaguely remember but she

1372
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,319
called the the airport to ask about it

1373
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,560
um and apparently wasn't the only one um

1374
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,960
but we we live in this big kind of

1375
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,680
it's a magnetic anomaly and and if that

1376
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,359
has anything to do with the phenomena

1377
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,079
then yeah we we live in kind of this big

1378
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,040
swath of of pink on the anomaly maps

1379
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,000
um so yeah interesting like skin walker

1380
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,920
grinding around

1381
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,680
well like you went to basin level of

1382
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,079
like low-key of activity in that area

1383
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,630
i mean there was

1384
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,599
by location of cattle at one point

1385
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,560
um

1386
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,240
cattle mutilations all sorts of things

1387
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,839
going on

1388
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,760
quite an incredible time

1389
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,520
sounds like a future video for sure i'll

1390
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,440
uh dm you get some more information

1391
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,440
about those books and stuff it's crazy i

1392
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:40,400
i

1393
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,160
much that people have to

1394
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,160
like ten years probably like before i

1395
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,640
feel like uh i kind of have a fairly

1396
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:02,400
good understanding oh yeah you can spend

1397
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,950
so sorry i was just looking someone

1398
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,560
asked if i could fit some questions in

1399
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,960
and i cannot find them

1400
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,280
um if you could post them again uh the

1401
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:20,390
um yeah if you could if you could post

1402
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,280
them again um i will ask them gladly

1403
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,079
um so just before those come up um

1404
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,520
that's actually really strange the next

1405
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,040
one is cattle mutilation someone just

1406
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,920
posted about cattle mutilations um so i

1407
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,240
kind of wanted your your

1408
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,640
kind of theory on why it may

1409
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,119
be happening because it's a little it's

1410
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,560
a little disturbing and part of me

1411
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,319
wonders like could it have happened to

1412
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,240
people around you know kolaris was

1413
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,359
almost you know

1414
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,440
some per okay so to answer those

1415
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,520
questions i definitely don't know why it

1416
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,640
happens

1417
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,000
and i don't even really like have an

1418
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,079
idea of like why it might happen but to

1419
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,319
the other part i would obviously say i

1420
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,599
wouldn't be surprised if it happens to

1421
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,920
humans and there's some fairly

1422
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,760
like it's all we're on the ufo stuff

1423
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,599
right so it's like it's not like 100 but

1424
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:09,280
there's fairly compelling

1425
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,480
uh

1426
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,040
cases and pictures and images and a lot

1427
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,760
of them from brazil even um that make me

1428
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,680
think that yeah it's probably happening

1429
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,920
to humans too and if you look at like

1430
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,760
missing 401 type stuff i feel like

1431
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,240
that's kind of just like similar

1432
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,040
situation of just

1433
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,559
yeah i think what they do to cows they

1434
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,720
probably do to humans too it's basically

1435
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,960
just the easy way of saying it and then

1436
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,319
there's some um

1437
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,599
what bigelow's study i think said that

1438
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,440
they might have been studying prions or

1439
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,520
something like that in the meat and

1440
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,640
there's some people who said i think

1441
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,960
alien scientist says that it's

1442
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,720
governments trying to test because

1443
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,680
they're doing all these underground

1444
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,800
nuclear

1445
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,720
atomic tests and they're just trying to

1446
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,160
test the meat to make sure

1447
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,680
that it's not messing up like our

1448
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,680
ecosystem as americans

1449
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,359
but um as far as like why they do it i

1450
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,960
really don't know and yeah to the to the

1451
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,720
human thing i would not be surprised

1452
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,680
what about you guys what do you guys

1453
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:00,880
think

1454
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,960
seeing whether the all these nuclear

1455
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:07,200
tests are affecting the food chain i

1456
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,319
think that's

1457
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:10,079
that's one plausible explanation for

1458
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:10,960
sure

1459
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,160
um but of course the um

1460
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,680
you know the linda molten howe

1461
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,440
documentary strange harvest kind of

1462
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,240
kicked it all off back in the late 70s

1463
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,640
um and you know got people's awareness

1464
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,240
into the subject again

1465
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,520
so i think people should check that out

1466
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,880
for sure

1467
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,880
yeah and i referenced that in my cattle

1468
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:31,119
mutilation video like

1469
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,839
how much of a pioneer she was with that

1470
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,680
documentary yeah

1471
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,920
the the the prions thing is interesting

1472
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,839
to me but

1473
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,079
there are so many events where

1474
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,760
you know the cows are instantly in the

1475
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,400
trailer and i'm like okay you know sure

1476
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,760
the government it makes sense for them

1477
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,000
to track that and so on so forth but

1478
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,680
there seems to be happenings that are

1479
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,359
way outside of our abilities when it

1480
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,720
comes to some of these catholic

1481
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,480
mutilations but

1482
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,480
again it could still be

1483
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,000
you know if we went to a planet we would

1484
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,480
try and catalog these things so

1485
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,559
you know it could be a similar

1486
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,400
reason but just just the wrong people

1487
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,280
blaming i i guess um so for the last

1488
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,680
part of the show i was going to go into

1489
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,559
uh hollywood and ufos but we're kind of

1490
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,160
we have four minutes left so we kind of

1491
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,720
have to wrap up so we're just gonna i

1492
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,119
know right so um i'll tease it for next

1493
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,400
time because andy and i will we'll know

1494
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,040
that you use hollywood and ufos uh for

1495
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,760
our next show but just close out can i

1496
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:28,559
get

1497
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,270
you want to go first dave

1498
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,599
yes

1499
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:40,160
thank you question right now okay

1500
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,960
um

1501
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,119
i'm ready then all right yeah you go and

1502
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,160
i'll give it a thought okay um

1503
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,920
so this is kind of also kind of like a

1504
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,680
shilling my channel moment but i think

1505
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,240
that the ufo movie that came out in 1956

1506
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,839
is pretty much

1507
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,000
like one of the best uh

1508
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,520
ufo films ever made and for people who

1509
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,960
don't know this was like my most recent

1510
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,839
video

1511
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,160
this movie came out in 1956 and it was

1512
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,839
really significant because it had three

1513
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,119
whistleblower members of project blue

1514
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,839
book it had edward repel it had al chop

1515
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,000
and had dewey fournette as technical

1516
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,760
advisors to this film and they had all

1517
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,079
been like disaffected or dis uh really

1518
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,160
turned off by what had happened

1519
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,240
following the 1952 wave over dc which

1520
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,440
was basically like

1521
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,200
the cl more or less the closing down in

1522
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
blue book just repainting like a name on

1523
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,040
it or whatever and what's what i didn't

1524
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,480
even know about that is that that movie

1525
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,800
came out before uh edward rupelt's book

1526
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,240
so technically i think it's like one of

1527
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,319
the first records of

1528
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,800
any kind of whistleblower for ufos and i

1529
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,880
think it like would have inspired repel

1530
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,240
like to write his book you know what i

1531
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,319
mean so and i never really made that

1532
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,839
timeline connection i always thought

1533
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,599
book was like the first starting point

1534
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,440
technically this film came out before so

1535
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,640
i think that's really significant and

1536
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:49,040
they like it's actually pretty uh it's

1537
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,160
charming you know what i mean like it's

1538
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,920
from the 50s so it's like very different

1539
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,760
pace and kind of than what we would make

1540
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,079
today but it's charming and you could

1541
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,520
tell like the people involved like

1542
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,760
really were trying to start something

1543
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,119
they were really trying to be like proto

1544
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,400
ttsa

1545
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,400
proto lou alzondo and you know what i

1546
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,680
mean and

1547
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:08,400
just the the where we've come since then

1548
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,280
and

1549
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,559
just knowing that they did they tried it

1550
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,319
so early just i just have like so much

1551
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,680
respect like i was like i was telling

1552
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,440
you guys like people pre 2017 it's like

1553
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,599
wow you guys have clout but like they're

1554
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:20,240
like pre uh rupell's book you know what

1555
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,440
i mean like

1556
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,640
so

1557
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,119
that's mine yeah nice i mean i'd say i'd

1558
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,319
have to probably

1559
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,760
you know one that i've

1560
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,280
really resonated with me in the last 12

1561
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:34,549
basically because it starts off with a

1562
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,839
uso encounter that damages an american

1563
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,839
nuclear submarine and then that sets up

1564
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,680
the rest of the story when you're

1565
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,800
dealing there with the crypto

1566
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,079
terrestrial

1567
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,960
theory as well um and the fact that this

1568
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,920
species that has lived at the bottom of

1569
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,760
this trench in the ocean

1570
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,720
because it's kind of like um akin to

1571
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:57,200
conditions on their own planet

1572
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:58,400
their home planet or wherever they're

1573
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,440
from

1574
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,079
um but the other one i possibly suggest

1575
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,359
is the first x-files movie um mainly

1576
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,440
because i was

1577
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,200
off an age where

1578
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,440
it made a great impression on me at the

1579
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,559
time

1580
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:14,400
and really got me studying into this

1581
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,470
i don't know i want to say

1582
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:23,750
98.99 maybe oh i'll have to check out

1583
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,670
yeah that feels about right um i'm i'm

1584
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,680
going to choose a lesser known one

1585
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:34,079
called phoenix forgotten uh not many

1586
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,359
people have seen this one never gets

1587
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,359
spoken about but it's a found footage

1588
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,559
movie based around the phoenix lights

1589
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,559
and it's really well put together and it

1590
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,720
was produced by jerry bruckheimer's

1591
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,880
production company and it blows my mind

1592
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,160
every time i watch it and i'm just like

1593
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,000
damn this is really good the the whole

1594
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,640
framing of the the found footage it

1595
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,400
actually justifies why you're watching

1596
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,640
and found footage for the whole film um

1597
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,119
so you know i'm so down and i liked it

1598
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,800
but yeah you should watch it it's fairly

1599
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,400
short about 90 minutes i think so it

1600
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,160
gets in gets out and and it's a pretty

1601
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,720
good experience

1602
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,160
very cool

1603
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,680
cool so

1604
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,240
uh red tell people where they can find

1605
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,200
your work yeah so it's red panda koala

1606
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,440
on youtube and um that name just comes

1607
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,720
from i just like both of those animals

1608
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,000
and at first i wanted to put something

1609
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,359
ufo my name but then i was like there's

1610
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,440
a lot of ufo names out there sorry like

1611
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:25,040
not in a bad way but it's just like i

1612
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,079
might as well just do something a little

1613
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,480
different uh and yeah red panda cola on

1614
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,280
youtube red panda koala on twitter and

1615
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:33,280
uh all my documentaries are free on

1616
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,480
youtube

1617
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,680
uh

1618
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,359
yeah i hope you guys check them out that

1619
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,160
ufo podcast family check it out

1620
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,079
cool definitely like i say i've followed

1621
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,760
your channel for years so it's uh oh

1622
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,599
wait yeah real quick i had a question i

1623
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,040
was curious how did you come across my

1624
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,640
channel first and dave i don't know if

1625
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,480
you came across before today but

1626
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,800
so i i just consume anything and

1627
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,359
everything ufo that i possibly can um

1628
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,359
and one of your videos popped up i think

1629
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,119
it was on reddit and

1630
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,640
then i just kind of followed from there

1631
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,030
yeah i think i saw someone was

1632
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,720
recommending it on twitter about 18

1633
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,319
months ago and i just

1634
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,200
you know

1635
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,160
then cool very cool

1636
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,960
nice uh so just to close out i'll remind

1637
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,800
people we're running a raffle to raise

1638
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,119
some money for uh the st jude's

1639
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,240
children's research hospital um and the

1640
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,280
humane society international

1641
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:28,000
we are raffling off i can just chuck it

1642
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,829
[Music]

1643
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,760
here here we go you guys can see that so

1644
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,359
we are raffling off this poster here

1645
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,040
signed by lou uh when we met him in

1646
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,680
london uh we've raised over 2 000 pounds

1647
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,280
at the moment which is absolutely insane

1648
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,839
it'll be closing out on christmas eve um

1649
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,440
you can buy 10 entries for 10 pounds the

1650
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,440
more you buy the the cheaper the entries

1651
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,079
get and the person who donates the

1652
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,760
highest amount during the run will

1653
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,040
actually get a personal thank you call

1654
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,119
from louis lozando himself

1655
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,280
uh which is crazy thank you sulu for

1656
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:04,559
donating that

1657
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:05,440
um

1658
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,430
there he goes

1659
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,680
well gentlemen we're gonna wrap the show

1660
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,680
because it's that time so i think dan is

1661
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:19,119
trying to come back i think he's coming

1662
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,880
back now i'm back i i did so well i

1663
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,280
don't button up until i hit that leave

1664
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,960
uh studio thing i was just trying to

1665
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:29,359
uncheck my screen but yeah brilliant

1666
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,640
all right

1667
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,079
take us out

1668
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,760
all right thank you everyone thank you

1669
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,200
very much everyone with that we're all

1670
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,640
out of time this week thank you today

1671
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,160
from red panda koala for joining the

1672
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,079
show um and for all their amazing work

1673
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,599
helping to streamline this subject for

1674
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,440
those coming in uh andy should be back

1675
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,280
with us this week and let's all send in

1676
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,119
healing thoughts keep looking up you

1677
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,040
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1678
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,200
that is all for this week's show thank

1679
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,119
you very much for listening please

1680
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,200
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1681
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1691
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:22,000
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1692
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